Tory councillor: force seriously ill people out to “push up house prices”

A Tory councillor on Surrey’s health committee has called for seriously ill people to be forced out of the county. John Butcher has suggested those with “self-inflicted morbidity” should be “encouraged” to “move away from Surrey” – in the name of pushing up house prices.

Butcher wants groups such as smokers —  referred to as the “self-inflicted” — to be offered slower NHS treatment so that they will be forced to move:

“This factor would attract more ‘other’ patients to come to live in Surrey – and that would push up house prices here.”

Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more sick, he ventures that this would benefit the Tories in elections:

“any political party that seeks to pander to the needs of the self-inflicted unhealthy, and to win their votes, will suffer twofold … mortality will ensure that its voters will be much fewer in number than the ‘others’”

Councillor Butcher’s email, which went round Surrey Council like wildfire before being leaked, is reproduced in full below:

1 Please pass on my apology for absence from the Surrey HOSC meeting on 24 May 2012, but I have a hospital appointment that day, and it has already been postponed once.

2 Because of the economic catastrophe facing the capitalist world, the NHS, that is a Marxist organisation, is bound to fail – like Greece.

The government’s efforts to ‘improve’ it are merely a postponement of that failure, which will arise from ever-increasing demand for, and the unit costs of, healthcare and the ever-decreasing national wealth available to afford those demands and costs, through taxation or otherwise.

Politicians who support the diversion of increasingly scarce fiscal resources into propping up the NHS, without taking measures to curb demand, not only accelerate its eventual demise but allow more important demands on the public purse to go unmet, with serious adverse consequences to the people. It will be the people who suffer from the collapse of the NHS – but they will have only themselves to blame – for voting in politicians who promise to improve the NHS regardless of other factors.

3 One way of saving the NHS is to encourage patients to take very much more care of themselves, with penalties on those who won’t do that. If the NHS in Surrey were to be run on the basis that patients with self-inflicted morbidity (mainly – smoking, alcohol, narcotics, obesity) and injury (dangerous activities) are, following due warning, placed in a much slower-moving queue for healthcare than ‘other’ patients, this would encourage the self-inflicted to move away from Surrey, to areas where there is no differentiation between patients on the grounds of their contribution towards their condition.

And it would deter the self-inflicted from coming to live in Surrey. Over time, that would result in the healthcare for the ‘other’ patients in Surrey being significantly better than the average national level for all patients, as the resources deployed to the self-inflicted would be very much reduced.

This factor would attract more ‘other’ patients to come to live in Surrey – and that would push up house prices here – assuming that planning controls remain similar to now.

4 Eventually the self-inflicted patients would end up living in ‘equality’ areas that are dominated by politicians who pander to their needs, thus driving more ‘other’ patients out of those areas, as healthcare there will be badly affected by the over-dominance of the self-inflicted.

These ‘other’ patients would move into areas, such as, hopefully, Surrey, where ‘other’ patients are not nearly so adversely affected. Eventually the country will be sharply divided into two types of area:

4.1 the ‘equality’ ones, where the self-inflicted unhealthy are treated the same as all patients, and 4.2 the ‘others’, such as, hopefully, Surrey.

Average life expectancy will be substantially lower (by, say, 20 years) in the ‘equality’ areas than in the ‘others’. This may mean that ‘other’ patients moving out of ‘equality’ areas may have to live in a less desirable dwelling, because of house price differentials, but that is a trade-off, that they can choose, with healthcare differentials between the two types of area.

Such house price differentials already apply for schooling, with houses on one side of a catchment boundary being worth a lot more than houses on the other side of it.

Indeed, the perception that the gap in those prices between those two types of healthcare area will grow substantially will encourage the ‘other’ patients in those ‘equality’ areas to move out of them sooner, lest they see their dwelling there becoming worthless.

5 Thus, any political party that seeks to pander to the needs of the self-inflicted unhealthy, and to win their votes, will suffer twofold: 5.1 mortality will ensure that its voters will be much fewer in number than the ‘others’, and

5.2 by concentrating its voters into particular areas, that party will never be able to win enough seats to dominate Parliament.

Regards John Butcher


  1. JS
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Counsellor Butcher knows how much rugby, for example, is played in Surrey?

    Would that constitute a ‘dangerous activity’ to be driven out? Or if it’s played by the ‘right sort’ of people, then that’s ok?

  2. Lisa
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    I really am struggling for something to say that isn’t actionable…

  3. Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    What a complete and utter …. It just shows once again that the tories really are the nasty party. How proud Cameron must feel about this new found acceptability of bashing the seriously ill and disabled!

  4. fozzie
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    This is a wind up surely? It is winding me up but it can’t be true? Can it?

  5. piddlypong
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    I just so hope that Councillor Butcher gets really very ill! He may even need a bit of rest and recuperation – in Greece perhaps?

    Utter pond life!

  6. Len Day
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    The Tories are the scum of the earth.

  7. whatshisname100
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Surely a hate crime?

  8. Affront
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Before we condemn Mr Butcher out of hand we must remember that one if four of the population will need mental health care at some point in their lives. Perhaps Mr Butcher has reached this point and needs to start receiving some sort of therapy?

  9. mike cross
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Par for the course from a fascist masquerading as a tory,disgusting comments from another shit for brains idiot.

  10. Posted June 1, 2012 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps the “self-inflicted” could be made to wear some sort of indicator showing that they are not one of the privileged “others”, some sort of badge sewn into their clothing for instance.
    He could if he wanted expand on his ideas a little further with regard to the “equality areas”. An idea that popped into my head was perhaps putting a fence around the “equality areas” with armed guards etc for the safety and protection of the “others” .

  11. Paul Potts
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Tory scum.

  12. Skip
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Wow. I thought It was paranoia that my local council gave up caring the moment that I became disabled and lost everything — turns out its just my bad luck for living in Surrey.

    I didn’t do this to me, it was done TO me…I had a career until a mistake was made by the NHS. does that put me in the “other” camp?
    Or do I (as I suspect) go into the group that Mr Butcher would like seen “handled” into ghettoised areas of the country — as long as it’s not on your doorstep eh butcher? Still, he always could re-write Heydrich’s “Nacht Und Nabel” act… (goodwins law)!

    What a horrible little man, I suspect he may have had a run in with a youth movement he doesn’t understand, possibly not won tickets to the Olympics but offered Paralympic games tickets instead?

    What exactly do you hate so bloody much Mr Butcher about the sick and in need that you would — indirectly granted — call for the Ghettoisation of the disabled and infirm?

  13. Mick
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I just wish tories that think like that would die wherever they are!

  14. Phil Kent
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    How about serving in the Armed Forces would that be classed as a dangerous activity? Do his plans include closing down Army Careers Offices in Surrey?

  15. Redcar for All
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    This is hate crime and should be named and shamed as such – refer to police

  16. unclespunky
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Tories are the biggest cunts of the modern age. They are an anthropological cancer that needs to be cut out and disposed of for good.

  17. Yvonne
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    I would like his contact details, hes the type of person you would love to take a long walk off a short pier! What an objectionable person he is, hope none of his family ever fall into one of his ‘categories’ that need to be encouraged to move away from Surrey…anyway why would anyone want to live near him?

  18. Oh dear Surrey again
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Stop all that swearing please. This is a serious business. Have you seen Mr Butcher’s bit part on Youtube? search for election emotions!! If you google him you will also see that he apparently bashed a door into an employee at Surrey County Council’s face!

  19. Oh dear Surrey again
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    If you check out his profile at Elmbridge Borough Council (where is that in Surrey)? you will see that Cllr John Butcher charges £25 for anyone wanting to use his photograph????? What????????

  20. Antony
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    What a complete and utter piece of total scum

  21. Al
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    What a tool. I’m actually speechless. This sums up everything bad about people in this country at the moment.

  22. Frankie D.
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 7:10 pm | Permalink
  23. Derdry
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 7:36 pm | Permalink
  24. David Cameron
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    This toe rag has a bright future in the Tory Party.

    Just the sort of “nasty bastard” that we need

  25. Nick Gall
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    Reported to Crimestoppers as hate crime

  26. pamela Marshall
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Words fail me… he MUST resign!

  27. Anonymous
    Posted June 1, 2012 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Eventually the country will be sharply divided into two types of area:

    4.1 the ‘equality’ ones, where the self-inflicted unhealthy are treated the same as all patients, and 4.2 the ‘others’, such as, hopefully, Surrey.

    Average life expectancy will be substantially lower (by, say, 20 years) in the ‘equality’ areas than in the ‘others’. This may mean that ‘other’ patients moving out of ‘equality’ areas may have to live in a less desirable dwelling, because of house price differentials, but that is a trade-off, that they can choose, with healthcare differentials between the two types of area.

    Ghettos huh? Wow, nazism returns big time. what a fascist disck.

  28. Posted June 1, 2012 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Sounds a bit Hitlerian doesn’t he?

    I think he should be kicked out of teh Tory party, or maybe we will start to believe that they are all like that.

    Wouldn’t it be terrible if he were to fall ill due to something he’s done.. and be resettled in Burnley?

  29. Aidy
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    Tris, they are all like that but they all know if their true views were out in the open they would never win elections, all Tories are nothing more than the most self serving, self righteous, paranoid half wits to ever walk on two legs…

  30. Ian Blackburn
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Has this councillor looked at Mr Eric Pickles lately? These coments must be in breach of the code of conduct councillors have to sign when elected. Or does he realy reflect the views of the people he represents? Sadly, too many ‘ordinary’ folk have similar views. Just look at the attacks on disabled people. Perhaps he is reflecting what the Tories have created. A divided society of one against one. A deserving sector and an undeserving one.

  31. John Eagle ( council
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 5:53 am | Permalink

    This person is not fit to hold public office, but just puts him in the “other category” alongside Cameron, Gideon, Clegg, Hunt and the rest of them

  32. eurasianemesis
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    The whole tone, reasoning & structure of this article is remeniscent of conversations between Reinhard Heydrich & his collegues when discussing the ‘Final Solution’. Human beings seen in purely economic terms. As ‘problems’. This is ever the problem. The professional conservative, possessing inherent shit-for-brains, will never understand the beauty & complexity of the human condition. He will condemn us all – through the application of his imbecilic world-view via politics – to the same whining-fer-me-mummy paranoiia & fear of life that has shrunken his brain.

  33. Steven Andrew
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    What he fails to realise too is that many Conservative voters and many rich Conservative voters n Surrey are heavy drinkers of wine.

  34. Ray
    Posted June 2, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    What on earth’s the matter with you all? You’re all flaming up as if he suggested you segregate people based on genetics, gender, or sexuality. Will the people with Hitler references calm down? Only free choices were referred to, albeit in a pretty bleak way.
    What’s wrong with suggesting those who voluntarily damage themselves get lower priority than someone who’s persued a healthier lifestyle. Some kid who’s hurt skateboarding should easily be treated over some toff who damaged his liver with too much plonk.
    It’s as if you’re all for the complete socialisation of risk, which is exactly what you were all frothing at against the bank bailouts.

  35. Sue
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    It would suit me very well if Mr Butcher and his cronies who think as he does were all to live in one place, far away from the rest of decent society. Put them all in one place, prevent them from breeding, and forget about them.

  36. mikems
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Ray : ‘It’s as if you’re all for the complete socialisation of risk, which is exactly what you were all frothing at against the bank bailouts.’

    What a telling point! Because bailing out bankers is exactly the same as funding the NHS!

  37. mikems
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    We need a denazification programme in this country. Exactly the same hate-filled attitudes as before the last European war are coming to the surface.

    For shame Butcher! What a betrayal of our parents and grandparents who fought and died to put an end to these attitudes!

  38. Bedd Gelert
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Calm down folks, calm down…

    When did a bit of ‘eugenics’ and a bit of ‘survival of the fittest’ do anyone any harm ?

    Well, okay, apart from in the Second World War…

  39. stars cascade
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Ray, the kid skateboarding wouldn’t be treated over the plonk drinker, because he partook in a ‘dangerous activity’ and the plonk drinker is probably a tory voter.

    Next the man will suggest a big wall across the country ‘others’ one side, and the ‘equal’ lot on the other, hardly very equal though, since the ‘equal’ side will be everyone else and not contain any ‘others’

    Insanity. Total f’ing insanity.

  40. stars cascade
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Besides, what this really boils down too is a class divide. Poor people can fuck off and die somewhere else. So long as only rich people stick around in Surrey, you know. The ones who can afford the expensive houses he keeps talking about.

  41. ian lochhead
    Posted June 3, 2012 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    its a wonder he didnt suggest that the unemployed move out of sussex to other areas to find work and if they refused would get their benefit stopped
    this person has no idea whatsoever about things and why should people who own houses move on his say so has he not taken into account that they have family living in the area and how the “moved people” will be able to visit them?
    this tory as stated above is a right bastard and as bad as the employment advisor who forced me to put on my jobseekers agreement that i will work from 8am to 6pm seven days a week yes seven days a week thats 70 hours a week not the max48 hours that is the law which the eu is currently trying to reduce to 36 hours but is being fought against as it would affect part time retained fire fighters especially if they are employed by the local authorty as they wouldnt be allowed to attend fires or road accidents
    my idiot employment advisor also forced me to agree to apply for jobs in dundee whose only access from fife is via the tay road bridge which in bad weather is closed fully when winds hit 60mph and also the rail bridge when i pointed this out his reply was “its not my problem” well it is his problem last time the bridge was closed due to high winds was 1130pm 30 minutes after the last bus for cupar should have left how am i supposed to get home walk 12 miles from dundee to cupar because i suspect that is what he wants me to do
    if i ever find am in this situation of high winds if am working in a job in dundee and my employer refuses to let me go early i will just walk out and get the bus home even if am threatened with the sack and the jobcentre refuse to pay me benefit its the principle of the thing why should i be stranded in dundee when the bridge gets closed by the bridge authorities if an employer refuses me to get an earlier bus in case the bridge is closed
    besides which there are over 2,500 unemployed in dundee so the chances of being selected as the successful candidate is odds on with me winning the lotto top prize and probably have more chance of winning the lotto unless of course dundee no longer has any unemployed which is highly unlikely most of them prefer to sit on their backside watching jeremy kyle than wanting to find suitable employment
    btw ive claimed benefit without a break since 1981 and managed up to now to avoid getting a job i prefer to sleep late then watch cowboy films or snooker on the tv i deliberately go unshaven for three days at a time my clothes are crumpled and untidy and my hair isnt combed and i dont look at the courier or fife herald as detailed in my jobseekers agreement sinply because i cant afford to buy them especially at 60p per day thats nearly £10 per fortnight off my benefit stuff that besides which apart from a friday there are never any jobs advertised in the courier during the week and any on a friday are all dundee and the surrounding area i dont drive or own a car so rely on public transport which after other deductions will leave me with £4 in my pocket all because a jumped up idiot in the jobcentre says i have to work outwith the town where i stay

  42. Hazel Malcolm-Walker
    Posted June 4, 2012 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    We have a lot of these idiots down here!
    They usually change their tune when they lose their medical insurance or suffer a medical ‘accident’ in a private hospital and HAVE to use an NHS one to save their lives.
    This plonker should have what he wants-for himself and his family- and have his NHS safety net withdrawn.
    Let us see if he can cope, in the long term. Bet he can’t!

  43. Oh dear Surrey again
    Posted June 5, 2012 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Cllr Butcher is holidaying in France. Not available for comment…………………

  44. Mark Michalowskio
    Posted June 5, 2012 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    What a horrible, nasty piece of shit. A Tory is a Tory is a Tory.

  45. Darren
    Posted June 6, 2012 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    As a disabled person who cannot exercise fully due to mobility limitations I have gone from a 34in to a 42in waist in a matter of two years. Am I classed as one of this creature’s “self-inflicteds?” I’ve reported it for hate crime to the Crime Stoppers link above, as well as to my MP. Hopefully it will return from France to find a letter dismissing it from the Tory party when the police (if they can find anyone spare to do it) escort it home from its port of re-entry to the UK so it can collect fresh undies, PJs and shaving kit before heading for its local nick.

    I hope there is no mercy shown to this piece of pond-scum.

  46. Diana
    Posted June 7, 2012 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    It is funny how those who wish to persecute smokers, never seem to consider the danger posed by vehicle emissions. The link between cancer and smoking is coming under scrutiny due to so many none smokers now having lung cancer.

    I think that cars should also be banned in Surrey, or those who drive them should be counted among the self inflicted.

    I am a pensioner and my heart and lungs are in excellent condition and I can’t wait for the campaign against drinking to gain more momentum so I can also join the ranks of the Holier than thou.

  47. Posted June 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm | Permalink


  48. Damian
    Posted June 9, 2012 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Evidently it’s possible for a fascist to be elected as a Tory in Sussex.

  49. Observer
    Posted June 11, 2012 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Truly appalling. Perhaps he has never got over losing to Baroness Williams in the 1981 Crosby election. At around 70, he is unlikely to fulfil his ambition at 39 of becoming an MP.

  50. Cap'n Jack
    Posted June 14, 2012 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    If he wasn’t so stupid he’d be dangerous.

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